What They Won't Do to Win--Nothing!

And nothing has changed.

 "In 1975 as the war in Vietnam came to an end, Congress took its first public look at the Secret Government. Senator Frank Church chaired the Select Committee to study government operations. The hearings opened the books on a string of lethal activities. From the use of electric pistols and poison pellets, to Mafia connections and drug experiments. And they gave us a detailed account of assassination plots against foreign leaders and the overthrowing of sovereign governments." ~Bill Moyers

The administration of President Dwight D. Eisenhower undertook to build a nation from the spurious political entity that was South Vietnam by fabricating a government there, taking over control from the French, dispatching military advisers to train a South Vietnamese army, and unleashing the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to conduct psychological warfare against the North- [who was fighting for unification and independence from Western colonialism]
We should declare war on North Vietnam. . . .We could pave the whole country and put parking strips on it, and still be home by Christmas.
--Ronald Reagan, 1965
Evidence has emerged that President Richard Nixon may have delayed a military pullout from Vietnam in 1972 to avoid a collapse that might have imperiled his bid for a second term. The war continued for four more years, during which half a million Vietnamese died—along with 21,000 Americans.

Rummy, Kissinger and Nixon
The evidence is in released tapes of a conversation in the Oval Office on 3 August, 1972, between Mr Nixon and his then national security adviser, Henry Kissinger. The transcripts were made public by the University of Virginia, 30 years to the day after Mr Nixon, facing impeachment by Congress, became the first and only President to resign.
The recordings, made on the same, secret, voice-activated system which would bring about Mr Nixon's Watergate downfall in August 1974, show he was concerned about the domestic impact of a collapse of the South Vietnamese government, left to fight the North alone without US military support.

Mr Nixon, who died in 1994, aged 81, had decided that despite months of heavy bombing in the North, the South "probably can never survive anyway". But he told Mr Kissinger: "We also have to realize, Henry, that winning an election is terribly important", as was the need for a "viable foreign policy".
For Vietnamese deaths, Robert McNamara, secretary of defense under John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, gives the total for the war as more than 3 million. 
Mr Kissinger's advice that day was that the US could retain its foreign policy credibility, if the South Vietnamese government in Saigon held on for a certain period, the so-called "decent interval" approach. "So we've got to find some formula that holds the whole thing together a year or two", after which Vietnam would be "a backwater".
 If a settlement could be reached that year, Mr Kissinger said, "by January 1974, no one will give a damn". In the event, the Paris peace conference deal to withdraw US troops came in January 1973, two months after Mr Nixon had won re-election in a landslide over his Democratic opponent George McGovern.
After more than two years, Saigon fell to the North in April, 1975. Mr Kissinger and his North Vietnamese opposite number, Le Duc Tho, shared the Nobel peace prize for negotiating a settlement.
Last night, Mr Kissinger denied Mr Nixon had delayed an inevitable withdrawal - ensuring the deaths of more US servicemen - to avoid a pre-electoral foreign-policy disaster.

Afghanistan etc.
 He said he had letters from Mr Nixon stating "the exact opposite of what's in this conversation". In the letters, Mr Kissinger says, the President urged his senior foreign policy adviser to "go ahead and do what you need to do, but don't be affected by the election. We want an agreement that lasts".

But some historians disagree. 
Jeffrey Kimball, author of Nixon's Vietnam War, said that by early 1972, if not before, the administration had concluded the war was unwinnable. "But say they pulled out at the end of 1971 or at the beginning of 1972; Saigon might fall before the election, or right after the election. What would that look like?"

Inscription for a War

“Stranger, go tell the Spartans we died here obedient to their commands.”
— Inscription at Thermopylae

Linger not, stranger. Shed no tear.
Go back to those who sent us here.

We are the young they drafted out
To wars their folly brought about.

Go tell those old men, safe in bed,
We took their orders and are dead.



  1. We should declare war on North Vietnam. . . .We could pave the whole country and put parking strips on it, and still be home by Christmas. --Ronald Reagan, 1965

    Insert Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Mali, Syria, Gaza, etc in place of North Vietnam to bring this up to date.

  2. Angela Davis:
    "Now I think there's something perhaps more profound that we ought to point to. This whole economy in this country is a war economy. It's based on the fact that more and more and more weapons are being produced. What happens if the war in Vietnam ceases? How is the economy going to stand unless another Vietnam is created, and who is to determine where that Vietnam is gonna be? It can be abroad, or it can be right here at home, and I think it's becoming evident that that Vietnam is entering the streets of this country. It's becoming evident in all the brutal forms of repression, which we can see everyday of our lives here.

  3. Forgot my link. http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/04/15/18589458.php
    There has been no deviation from the path, everything is the same. The presidents are the same. Imperialism is the same. The whole game is the same.. and thriving.


If you sit by a river long enough, you'll see the body of your enemy float by.
Old Japanese proverb